[cherm1300]

i want to do a v6 swap but im not sure how to go about it.i have alot of question and need help.when i do the swap what wire harness do i use my stock mr2 one are the camry wire harness.and how much mods do i have to do to get the engine in.And is anybody in the bay area wanna help me out ill put out some money ?

 

[Solrac28]

Hello, I believe this is pertinent to the topic at hand regarding 2gr info. If not then I apologize.

Does anyone know where I would find the physical dimensions of the 2gr block? Mainly the depth and overhangs near where the trans mounts.

I picked up a 1mz for my Alltrac, but then started reading about the 2gr and have to admit it gives me some serious wood. I want to find out if I can mate an AWD trans to the 2gr.

Thank you.

-Terracar

Well.... if you want to mate up a 2gr to a AWD you can definately use a U151F 5sp automatic as they come from factory that way in the Rav4, siennas, and Highlanders. I happen to have one laying and for sale w/ 165 miles on it along with the AWD ECU. I speculate you could also use the alltrak celica E50F if you wanted a manual awd setup. You'll have to do some digging on the manual option to confirm.

 

[Gouky]

i want to do a v6 swap but im not sure how to go about it.i have alot of question and need help.when i do the swap what wire harness do i use my stock mr2 one are the camry wire harness.and how much mods do i have to do to get the engine in.And is anybody in the bay area wanna help me out ill put out some money ?

you have to use the original harness and the 2gr harness and make a custom harness.

no body modifications are needed, it fits as-is.

 

[Gouky]

many people keep e-mailing me saying their local dealers aren't helpfull at all when purchasing ECUs.

so here's a bit of info to avoid all that noise:

if you want a 5-plug ECU without immobilizer, just ask for an ECU for this VIN: jteds41a882066320

if you want a 2-plug ECU without immobilizer, use this VIN: JTMBK32VX75020394

i also added the info way up at the top of this thread.

 

[NOstreetracing]

2008 and up highlander, rav4, sienna, and venzas have 150amp alternators. I'm not sure if 100% of 3.5l models them have it. Other ones are either 100 or 130 amp. Most newer ones have an OAD clutched pulley (smoother belt drive operation)

I just scored an 09 sienna one for $50

Does anyone know if these engines are internally balanced?

 

[Guest]

2008 and up highlander, rav4, sienna, and venzas have 150amp alternators. I'm not sure if 100% of 3.5l models them have it. Other ones are either 100 or 130 amp. Most newer ones have an OAD clutched pulley (smoother belt drive operation)

I just scored an 09 sienna one for $50

Does anyone know if these engines are internally balanced?

If the flywheel can be fitted at any location on the crank boss, ie its not indexed then yes, otherwise no.

 

[dvom]

sorry if this has been posted already, i didnt read everything

the 2gr vvt-i gears on every 05-09 can possibly go bad, 99% of the time it is due to that oil hose splitting and/or loss of oil pressure. so if your 2gr is leak free you should be ok. it is possible they can go bad without loosing oil. so it is a good idea for anyone looking to buy a 2gr to pull the valve covers(both) and inspected this cam gear:

good one vs bad one, i believe this is the exhaust cam

i have done the tsb under warranty and it is not fun

 

[DaveMush]

When looking for a used ECM, part number for an 07 Rav4 Sport w/o immobilizer:

89661-42E90

* This is a Rav4 4WD vehicle *

 

[hotnickels]

When looking for a used ECM, part number for an 07 Rav4 Sport w/o immobilizer:

89661-42E90

* This is a Rav4 4WD vehicle *

I could be wrong but I see used ECM's on car-part with 42E90 that have the immobilizer, so I don't think that part number means it's a non-immobilizer ECM.

Based on the limited research I did, the best way to be sure you are getting a non-immobilizer ECM would be to look for a 42F00 then get the VIN and see which model it came from(Base and Sport are good). I have one of these in my car now and one extra I picked up recently.

2007 Rav4 Base 2WD w/o immobilizer:

89661-42F00

 

[DaveMush]

This is based off MY OWN Vin# for my personal 2007 rav4 4wd.

Based off MY Vin# and the fact that I know I don't have Immobilizer in my keys, That part # can be non-immobilizer. I know that Toyota has had some ecm's in the past that can be either when new, but once an immobilizer ECU is connected, It's that way for life.
Maybe that is the case.

 

[torn81]

At first, me too I though that the part number for a non-immobilizer ecu was enough. But it's not.
I asked 2 dealers and both told me that a part number is not enough to tell if the ECU has immobilizer or not.
You need the VIN to make sure.
An ECU can have same part number, but different software/hardware programmed inside.
Also I though I read somewhere that after all, it's not true that when the ECU sees an immobilizer it becomes an immo ECU. The ECU is programmed to have an immobilizer or not at the factory or something.

 

[DaveMush]

I'm willing to bet that the ECU's expectation is clear and null until something immobilizer is plugged in. They have done that for a few years to make the number of parts offered to a minimum.

And now that We can do calibration updates at the dealer, they have narrowed it down even further compared to late 90's/early 00's ecu's

 

[Gouky]

At first, me too I though that the part number for a non-immobilizer ecu was enough. But it's not.
I asked 2 dealers and both told me that a part number is not enough to tell if the ECU has immobilizer or not.
You need the VIN to make sure.
An ECU can have same part number, but different software/hardware programmed inside.
Also I though I read somewhere that after all, it's not true that when the ECU sees an immobilizer it becomes an immo ECU. The ECU is programmed to have an immobilizer or not at the factory or something.

some need an immobilizer, some can accept one when they see it.

 

[mr_runabout2]

By chance do you know if it is possible to mate the head of the 2GR-FSE to the 2GR-FE and/or 1GR-FE blocks? My main interest in this is having the direct injection availability. To my understanding, the 2GRFSE cannot be mounted to either of the MR2's trannys, while the 2GRFE can.

To my understanding, the main difference between the FE and the FSE is the D4-S twin injection system. The advantage of mating the two engines may be considered not worth the effort, but it is a strong interest of mine. I am looking at putting it into a 93 MKII (non turbo), so I know I will have to find an E153 and turbo axels.

Toyota GR engine WIKI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine

 

[Gouky]

By chance do you know if it is possible to mate the head of the 2GR-FSE to the 2GR-FE and/or 1GR-FE blocks? My main interest in this is having the direct injection availability. To my understanding, the 2GRFSE cannot be mounted to either of the MR2's trannys, while the 2GRFE and 1GRFE can. I was initially interested in using the 1GRFE but have been considering the 2GR instead for other reasons I can explain later. If it is possible, what are special considerations (i.e. timing belt, engine compartment space limitations, wiring, etc.)?

I can?t imagine Toyota would want to change the 2GRFE block much besides altering it to fit different other models of cars. The 2GRFE and 1GRFE blocks matches the E153, but the 2GRFSE variants do not. The only difference between the FE and the FSE is the D4-S twin injection system, which is on the head of the FSE.

I have been trying to find someone who has tried this hybrid idea with no luck, and I am sure I am not the only one who has thought of it. It?s probably because of how hard it is to get a hold of a 2GRFSE. The advantage of mating the two engines may be considered not worth the effort, but it is a strong interest of mine. I am looking at putting it into a 93 MKII (non turbo), so I know I will have to find an E153 and turbo axels.

Toyota GR engine WIKI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine

it's really annoying that people like you can send private messages while having reception of private messages and e-mails blocked.

anyways, there aren't any aftermarket ECUs that can handle direct injection. and yes this has been discussed at length before. it should be possible with the stock ECU.

also, the 1gr won't fit as you claim. it's not a transverse mount motor.

 

[Solrac28]

As Gouky stated, 1GR's dont fit in MR2 without reinventing the wheel. The only guy I know that actually has a 2GRFSE in his possesion and is going to finally lay to bed the argument of what it will take to swap internals is Pablo. It is speculated the heads will bolt on without issue. You need to go read Pablo's thread in the V6 Section as a lot of this has been gone through. At that a Motec M800 would control direct port injection, but by the time you have all the hardware and custom harness and tune done expect to have somewhere in the ballpark of about $12k-$15k in just engine mangement goodness. And then depending on what the actual purpose and use of the car you are putting all this work into will determine if it is even worth it.

 

[DaveMush]

The only difference between the FE and the FSE is the D4-S twin injection system, which is on the head of the FSE.

Not true, and it's been covered in Pablo's thread.

 

[mr_runabout2]

As Gouky stated, 1GR's dont fit in MR2 without reinventing the wheel. The only guy I know that actually has a 2GRFSE in his possesion and is going to finally lay to bed the argument of what it will take to swap internals is Pablo. It is speculated the heads will bolt on without issue. You need to go read Pablo's thread in the V6 Section as a lot of this has been gone through. At that a Motec M800 would control direct port injection, but by the time you have all the hardware and custom harness and tune done expect to have somewhere in the ballpark of about $12k-$15k in just engine mangement goodness. And then depending on what the actual purpose and use of the car you are putting all this work into will determine if it is even worth it.

Thanks for pointing me to the Pablo thread where you fully addressed my questions. After a quick read, definately a LOT more into it than I had hoped.

Looky what showed up at my local u-pull-it!!!- pablo: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=417127&highlight=pablo

 

[ayresyboy]

I'm interested to know what size wheels and tyres would be best for a 2GR-FE powered mkIII MR2...

 

[DaveMush]

I'd say the largest you can fit back there