[Eversor]

There are e153's out there handling 700+ hp without issues. It is pretty safe to say the tranny should out live your engine in the pursuit of high numbers.

 

[-Totenkopf-]

Anyone toyed with these 2GRs much. I am at the crossroads at the moment, on the verge of abandoming my 5SGTE for V6. However, I want in the region of 700+hp. What is required for these 2gr's to sustain that sort of output. I am guessing custom CR forged pistons and rods, custom grind camshafts. Is other headwork required? Obviously most parts would be custom order. What about headgasket and studs?

Anyone toyed much with these motors?

 

[Gouky]

Anyone toyed with these 2GRs much. I am at the crossroads at the moment, on the verge of abandoming my 5SGTE for V6. However, I want in the region of 700+hp. What is required for these 2gr's to sustain that sort of output. I am guessing custom CR forged pistons and rods, custom grind camshafts. Is other headwork required? Obviously most parts would be custom order. What about headgasket and studs?

Anyone toyed much with these motors?

there's only one 2GR in this realm as far as i know. it's probably not the best place to start unless you have large piles of cash. it would mean everything being custom. even the headers i sell would not work at that power level

 

[-Totenkopf-]

I can TIG weld myself, that sort of thing wont be a problem. Also have access to a mill and lathe. The expensive part is going to be sourcing the custom engine internals. Not know what is in need of upgrade is going to be be the most difficult thing. I've found 2GR motors (with loom, no computer, I would be using custom management anyway - I believe my Autronic SM4 can control the camshaft operation) starting from around $2750 AUD. I'd obviously be adding a turbo or two to this 2GR.

Another problem is my carbonetics twin clutch that is as new will not fit, and its not recommended the modify the flywheel after already modifying it to suite the 5SFE crankshaft, so that means at a minimum, I'd have to get a new flywheel for the clutch to have modified.

Alternatively (and much more cheaply) I guess I could just rectify all the faults (and they are numerous) with my MCS rolleyes: ) built 5SGTE.

EDIT: I guess the reason I am considering this is because my car is leaving a real foul taste in my mouth at the moment (Thanks primarily to MCS motorsports). I think I need a fresh and new project. The amount of $$$ I have into the SW20 though, I find it hard to drop it for another base. I've spent tens of thousands on suspensions, wheels, bodywork, chassis alone. So think a deviation from my current path might be good.

 

[Gouky]

i agree with everything you say, and the 2GR with the stock ECU is a wonderfull motor that is fantastic to drive every day. but i suspect you'll lose most of that by going to an aftermarket ECU.

it's still a good base to start from. it's the largest displacement motor that easily fits in that engine bay. but the 3.4L has cheaper aftermarket parts available for it.

if your target was a more reasonable 400HP, i'd definitely agree that the 2GR is the way to go. but at 700HP, the 5VZ may be a better start. heck, last i knew, Jonny's motor was still available from the UK. it's a fully built 5VZ that would be much cheaper for these power levels.

the 2GR offers reliable power to get your MR2 in the mid 4 second 0-60 times. anything beyond that is new territory. feel free to use it for that, but you won't be able to get much advice. the only thing we know is that the block and crank are good for the power. anything else may or may not fail before that point.

 

[Seth W]

what do you think about going with something like a AEM unit? I have a Tec3 at the moment but I'm unaware if that will do the trick, its sort of out dated. I'm semi buddies with the guys that do the tuning for cobb but unless it's a supra their is little to no point for them to bother with cracking the ecu. My issue is I have access to a long block for a good price but dont know if it has the harness and ecu. It's getting to be more of a track car and less of a DD so I'm not too concerned with needing it running so I can get to work.

It needs a rebuild and I'd like to consider the option of doing a whipple supercharger on it (was going to do it on my 1mz/3mz but 2gr is bigger and better from the start) with my engine budget it should be doable. I'm not looking to do a million HP build just something that will do well on the track with lots of usable power. I have a lot of other supporting mods as well so basically it's just a engine deal as this point. I guess I'll need new cv joints but my tilton twin disk should keep up, may consider better gearing as well.

Do you stock your engine mounts or is it per order basis?

 

[Gouky]

what do you think about going with something like a AEM unit? I have a Tec3 at the moment but I'm unaware if that will do the trick, its sort of out dated. I'm semi buddies with the guys that do the tuning for cobb but unless it's a supra their is little to no point for them to bother with cracking the ecu. My issue is I have access to a long block for a good price but dont know if it has the harness and ecu. It's getting to be more of a track car and less of a DD so I'm not too concerned with needing it running so I can get to work.

It needs a rebuild and I'd like to consider the option of doing a whipple supercharger on it (was going to do it on my 1mz/3mz but 2gr is bigger and better from the start) with my engine budget it should be doable. I'm not looking to do a million HP build just something that will do well on the track with lots of usable power. I have a lot of other supporting mods as well so basically it's just a engine deal as this point. I guess I'll need new cv joints but my tilton twin disk should keep up, may consider better gearing as well.

Do you stock your engine mounts or is it per order basis?

if you're going with an aftermarket ECU you need something that can control 4 variable cams.

I normally keep everything in stock, but I did just run out of headers, the next batch will be here in a few weeks.

 

[cbishop11]

speaking of S/C, Gouky - is your kit still under development for the 2GR?

 

[Seth W]

so no consideration to the whipple unit, dont bother e-mailing them with questions but that would be my choice.

Just to restate what you said yeah it's a bitch with aftermarket ecu's 6k for a motech is too much for me..if the stock ecu with maybe some help can do 8-10lbs of boost then I'm happy 3-400 hp mark is what I'm looking for nothing super crazy.

 

[Shermanpk]

Hey I've read all of the thread, I'm not sure is this for the Mk 1, 2 or 3?
I don't mind the idea of a 6 speed auto ***I_______ it is a really good auto!

 

[Gouky]

Hey I've read all of the thread, I'm not sure is this for the Mk 1, 2 or 3?
I don't mind the idea of a 6 speed auto ***I_______ it is a really good auto!

the kit i sell is for the MKII, but the motor has been installed in MKI, MKII and MKIII cars.

and no need to use the auto, the E153 manual from the MKII turbo works great with the 2GR

 

[Krown]

Will the s54 tranny work with this swap? Or would converting to the E153 be necessary?

 

[uspspro]

Will the s54 tranny work with this swap? Or would converting to the E153 be necessary?

S-series works

S51 has better gearing, but S54 has better linkage for mk2 (no mods needed).

You will need to tap threads in one hole and weld up 2 more bungs on to the bell housing, but yes it bolts up.

 

[Gouky]

S-series works

S51 has better gearing, but S54 has better linkage for mk2 (no mods needed).

You will need to tap threads in one hole and weld up 2 more bungs on to the bell housing, but yes it bolts up.

as uspspro says, it can be made to bolt up, but i don't recomend it. it's a weak transmission.

he's got it in an MKIII and it seems to be holding up, but an MKIII is a lot lighter than an MKII.

 

[terracar]

Hello, I believe this is pertinent to the topic at hand regarding 2gr info. If not then I apologize.

Does anyone know where I would find the physical dimensions of the 2gr block? Mainly the depth and overhangs near where the trans mounts.

I picked up a 1mz for my Alltrac, but then started reading about the 2gr and have to admit it gives me some serious wood. I want to find out if I can mate an AWD trans to the 2gr.

Thank you.

-Terracar

 

[pablo]

Hello, I believe this is pertinent to the topic at hand regarding 2gr info. If not then I apologize.

Does anyone know where I would find the physical dimensions of the 2gr block? Mainly the depth and overhangs near where the trans mounts.

I picked up a 1mz for my Alltrac, but then started reading about the 2gr and have to admit it gives me some serious wood. I want to find out if I can mate an AWD trans to the 2gr.

Thank you.

-Terracar

I didn't think the 1MZ fit with the Alltrac? I know it's been swapped into a FWD Celica, but I am pretty sure the 1MZ had issues with the all trac tranny. And if thats the case I doubt it would fit the 2GR as well.

 

[terracar]

I didn't think the 1MZ fit with the Alltrac? I know it's been swapped into a FWD Celica, but I am pretty sure the 1MZ had issues with the all trac tranny. And if thats the case I doubt it would fit the 2GR as well.

You are correct the alltrac trans/diff doesn't fit, but the Rav4 one does fit the 1mz.

-Terracar

 

[DaveMush]

think 2gr rav4, sienna, and highlander AWD vehicle. Yes A AWD trans will fit the engine, but will it fit in the celica.

 

[terracar]

I am not asking the feasibility of the 2gr with an AWD trans/diff, that is something I will figure out. I am just looking for the physical dimension at this time.

And yes the 1mz with a rav4 box will fit the Celica. (Alltrac vs FWD Celica = same bay)

-Terracar

 

[Jared]

do the toyota pdf's have them ?