[aero86]

if you have a trash dump in your area they also have scales.

 

[deemon113]

with or without you in the car?

Without me in the car. I am hoping it will be that WITH me in the car ^_^.
Just need to do a bit more weight reduction. Lighter battery, lighter seats, new exhaust, make a lightweight FG sunroof maybe.

 

[jmur3040]

Without me in the car. I am hoping it will be that WITH me in the car ^_^.
Just need to do a bit more weight reduction. Lighter battery, lighter seats, new exhaust, make a lightweight FG sunroof maybe.

losing weight yourself doesnt hurt either and in full race trim drive naked! every pound counts. theres a site about a guy stripping weight from a miata lots of good concepts in there.

 

[javajoe79]

my 86 na sunroof with a silvertop and fully stripped weighed 1995, no fuel no seats.

 

[SteveAw11]

my 86 na sunroof with a silvertop and fully stripped weighed 1995, no fuel no seats.

Nice we all know these seats weigh about 45lbs each

thats where your getting those #'s.

 

[Predwolf]

89 N/A, T-Tops, No power anything, no ac.

With a full tank, it came in at 1050 kilos, with the spare in.

However, I'm straight piping the car tonight, so I'll probably be able to knock off about 20lbs .

 

[morefaster]

don't forget also that taking weight off specific areas of the car will alter the "feel" of the car around bends...for example, taking off the relatively light spoiler that sits way up in the air will make the mki feel significantly nimbler...actually, any weight taken off the very rear of the mki will make it feel A LOT nimber...aluminum bumper, lighter muffler, no spoiler, carbon or fiberglass trunklid, or better yet, just lop off the whole rear with a sawzall

 

[solo13]

is the rear wing even necessary on mk1?

 

[morefaster]

for looks

 

[Nightshadow]

is the rear wing even necessary on mk1?

Yes. It is not just for looks

The wing IS a major factor in keeping the rear of the car down. everything on ANY mr2 is there for a reason. not for looks.

 

[4183]

everything on ANY mr2 is there for a reason.

But sometimes the reason is for looks.

 

[Nightshadow]

But sometimes the reason is for looks.

No usually. The spoiler in paticular is in no way there for looks... Just about any spoiler on any car usually reates some kind of downforce. On the aw11 toyota put on that giant spoiler, to help with keeping the rear of the car on the road. I have seen where people take off the rear spoiler on them, and not only does it look strange, they are losing traction in the rear, and they will not handle as good.

Even the factory sideskirts, push air around the rear tires, to create less drag on the car.

 

[morefaster]

^^might be so but how's 2 pounds of downforce and .3 isos.dm of lift prevention gonna help a 2300 pound mki?

 

[floridatropics]

The 1985 MR2 was listed in the early brochure as 2282 lb curb wt., and later as 2350 lb. Never was it listed as less by the factory. The European MR2 was also listed as 2282 lb which leads me to the conclusion that our 2282 lb MR2 in America was actuallt 2350 lb. My 1985 curb weight was 2425 lb with sunroof by no rear wing.

The rear wing improved aero drag from .36 to .35 and did add some stability at higher speeds (over 100 mph) By 1986 all showroom stock racers had removed the rear wing in favor of better weight distribution and 8.5 lb less weight.

 

[SV3Power]

Yes. It is not just for looks

The wing IS a major factor in keeping the rear of the car down. everything on ANY mr2 is there for a reason. not for looks.

Huh? These are not F1 or WRC cars. These are mass produced Toyotas. They are meant to sell in relatively large numbers and to appeal to a variety of buyers with a variety of preferences and values. You're quite right that everything on any MR2 is there for a reason. The reason is to make the cars appeal to the public so they'll sell (or to make them pass safety laws, reliability requirements, etc).

That spoiler (I won't call it a wing, because it isn't one) does not keep the rear of the car down. The weight of the car keeps it down. The back end of an MR2 is not exactly going to become airborne under anything approaching normal circumstances. The spoiler may (or may not) add downforce that may (or may not) be necessary or beneficial at speeds that we may (or may not) ever reach in our cars.

 

[SV3Power]

By 1986 all showroom stock racers had removed the rear wing in favor of better weight distribution and 8.5 lb less weight.

That's the real question - does it make the car faster or not? If professional racers are taking it off and keeping it off, I suspect the answer is a resounding NO.

Certainly the reason that Toyota put the spoiler there cannot be to make the car slower. A change in cD from .36 to .35 is hardly worth the trouble if you're not chasing every last mpg, and MR2s are not purely economy cars. If what floridatropics says is true, the only logical answer left is that the spoiler is primarily there for looks.

 

[Nightshadow]

Huh? These are not F1 or WRC cars. These are mass produced Toyotas. They are meant to sell in relatively large numbers and to appeal to a variety of buyers with a variety of preferences and values. You're quite right that everything on any MR2 is there for a reason. The reason is to make the cars appeal to the public so they'll sell (or to make them pass safety laws, reliability requirements, etc).

That spoiler (I won't call it a wing, because it isn't one) does not keep the rear of the car down. The weight of the car keeps it down. The back end of an MR2 is not exactly going to become airborne under anything approaching normal circumstances. The spoiler may (or may not) add downforce that may (or may not) be necessary or beneficial at speeds that we may (or may not) ever reach in our cars.

I tend to see every ones point, But I really find it hard to believe that toyota did'nt put the spoiler their for more than just looks. This was the FIRST mid engine car to come out of japan, and I Think (being Toyota) They wanted to make it right the first time. Think About the way the car is built in the first place. The cab is like a square, The air just comes right over the cab and doesnt push down the car at all without a spoiler. I doesnt need to be a race car to gain from the effects of downforce, and you don't need to be doing 100 + MPH either.

I would be really sad If I learned that toyota designed the aw11 mr2 to look good, and not for performance.

 

[tksmr2]

IMO Who cares.. Did you ever pick up a MK1 wing.. it's super light. You won't notice the extra 2 grams of added weight from the wing. It looks better on than off in MOST cases IMO. But, some are nice w/o the wing IMO. But, for the average person or even the hardcore MK1 racers it really doesn't matter if it's there for looks or if it's not IMO.


Todd
87sc
www.cardomain.com/id/tksmr2

 

[theneofrenchmen]

I think the main reason Toyota included the wing is because the rear of the car looks too plain and unbalanced if it doesn't have something on it (it's too square, and the car's look it more triangular, plus it makes the trunk look shorter; I think that all MR2s look like the seats are too far forward in the car without some kind of spoiler). Since the car barely hits 120, I don't think Toyota intended the wing for anything other than looks (on the SC, it might be different, but ask yourself why they're all T-tops then).

Nightshadow, you need to look at Toyota's website (especially the Corolla page) and listen to that godawful "music". Toyota does things just for looks, just like every other company in the world. Virtually every stock wing/spoiler from an OEM manufacturer is dead weight added to balance out the rear looks of the car; you're expecting too much from them if you think that it's dissapointing because they did things for looks; at the time, I imagine the AW looked pretty sexy (it still does, sorry, sorry).

 

[Spots]

Since the car barely hits 120, I don't think Toyota intended the wing for anything other than looks (on the SC, it might be different, but ask yourself why they're all T-tops then)

Nitpicking, I know, but it was only the US-built SCs which were 100% T-top. There are plenty of factory hardtop SCs from Japan, and Europe saw them too.