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GT28RS results on stock gen2 3SGTE

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#1 ·
I've recently had the pleasure to work with the folks at Turbohoses on developing and tuning a custom GT28RS turbo setup on a super nice 93 MR2 (46K miles on the odometer) owned by 1sexy2. The performance mods include:

Hydra Nemesis EMS w/ boost control solenoid
550cc Supra injectors, Supra fuel pump and dual feed fuel rail
Turbohoses stage 9 IC and custom 3" IC pipes
GT28RS (GT2860RS) BB turbo w/ 0.63 A/R T3 inlet, Ford 5-bolt outlet turbine housing and internal wastegate (see ATP catalog for more details)
Custom 3" DP and exhaust with catalytic converter (see this for more details)
Turbohoses 4" intake w/ 6" velocity stack
JoeO water injection kit (see this for more details)

Here are the 4th gear results of the setup at 19psi on 100 octane fuel:

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Keep in mind that this is a setup that can pass a smog sniffer test exactly as it is without a single change. In terms of driving this car on the street, it seems like the boost gauge is directly attached to the accelerator. At any RPM over 2500 in any gear you push the pedal to the floor and the boost gauge instantly jumps to 15+ psi.

In terms of performance, I tuned the setup to 11.2 AFR (note the dotted reference line) to leave room for the owner to drop in a straight catless exhaust pipe for use at the race track. This may be tested in the future when and if the owner actually decides to have the pipe made. For now he just wants a fast car that he can drive on the street.

Overall, I am very happy to report that this turbo can push over 300rwhp through a catalytic converter at 11.2 AFR on a stock motor.

On California 91 octane premium fuel, it makes a safe 270rwhp at 17 psi. Bad stuff, that Cali pump gas.

The car itself is an absolute joy to behold and drive. 1sexy2 has spent so much time, money and effort modifying it and paying attention to every detail that I took it as a personal challenge to make the performance, reliability and drivability aspect of it match the rest of the car without touching the internals of the motor or the head. I feel that I did justice to those goals. I also hope to see and tune more of these GT2860RS turbos in the future.
 
#3 ·
First off I would like to say congrats to 1sexy2! The following questions are not to put down his setup in anyway it's just me asking some questions, so don't take anything personally.
Just out of curiousity aren't the number not a little low?
Maybe it is the CAT that is holding it back but for 19psi and 100 octane, I thought the numbers would be a little higher.
Just from all the other dyno's I've seen, and articles I've read *coughRickyB's primercough*thanksaton*cough!! :). From the primer it states the limits of the MR2's fuel system is about 300 rwhp. So with all that work done I thought the number we would be seeing here would be approx. 330rwhp +.
I'm a total noob to this, so I really don't know, I'm just more looking for more information so I can learn more.
I was under the assumption a setup like this:
ATS rom tune and ct27 @ 15 psi, 94 octane
3" dp
berk 3" exhaust
berk IC
apexi intake

I thought this setup could achieve approx 250-270 rwhp.
If true, wouldn't that be a lot cheaper setup that would achieve approx. the same numbers? I realize the is a lot more potential in 1sexy2's setup because the fuel system has been reworked, but again that is a lot more money.
 
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#4 · (Edited)
That is an impressive list of mods...it's rare to see such attention to detail on a stock engine. The dyno looks great, especially considering spool and peak power are being held back considerably by the catalytic converter, and the conservative AFR and tuning goals. But the best part is in your description of how it drives and performs. Congratulations 1sexy2, and RickyB :thumbup

Bruce

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Ty, fuel systems don't make power, they only support it, and this one would do it with a wide margin of safety. It's rare to see over 300 whp on an internally stock engine with any turbo and a conservative tune, and really rare with a catalytic converter holding it back. Look at the dyno beyond the peak hp #, and then compare it to another stocker with a cat.
 
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#10 ·
flynhighaf23 said:
gt28rs seems like a sissy turbo on the mr2. minus well just save the money and buy a ct20 or ct27, or go BIG and get a real turbo!
There are no mods to the head... no aftermarket cams...

I bet the car is an absolute joy to drive... sure it may not be a fire breathing monster... but there is more to an engine than just peak numbers...

Ricky.. what's with that big TQ dip just above 4k rpm??

Marco
 
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#14 ·
definitly looks good bud. Did it hold the 19psi to redline? do you think its capable of making more boost?

I've got a gen 3 and hopefully plan on running 1.5 bar if it doable on this turbo, with supporting mods and a build engine of course. This is just my reliable everyday car. i've got a monster build being done so i just want something quick for the street just like this customer of yours.
 
#15 ·
The initial spike and dip is caused by the boost controller. I allow it to spike a little to allow the boost to build as soon as possible. The TVIS is controlled by the Nemesis and I set it at the optimal point (4000) for this setup.

The turbo holds 19 psi to redline and it would do more if I let it.
 
#16 ·
my only experience with this turbo was on a lotus elise. the car had the forcefed stage I turbo kit. it was a joy to drive and i couldn't believe the power band. it had full boost below 3,000rpms and pulled hard until the 8,200rpm redline. for an engine like ours i believe the turbo would be a good competetor, but by looking at the dyno graph it looks like it doesn't compare to the elise's power band.

i can see if there was a set of 256 cams and some cam gears tuned for low-end torque that this car would have spooled quicker. on the graph it shows 200ft lbs by 3,200rpms, if it had a few more mods i'd expect the spool to drop under 3,000rpms...even adjusting the timing on the low-end i'm sure spool time could be increased.

i'm not saying this is a bad turbo for the car, i know a lot of people with 2.0l powerplants use this turbo and have great reasults (mr2 now being one of them), my only complant is that this turbo has the same (or pretty darn close) power outputs of a ct20b, or even a 16G turbo...so why get so worked up over the gt28rs? its more expensive and more complex and the cheapest "kit" i've found was close to $2000.

i'm forcasting a few gt28rs upset's in the near future. someone is going to look at this and think they can get these same numbers on their car that is stock and they will be disapointed when they realize what it'll take to get some decent numbers out of it.

anywho, i'm done dissing the turbo. i'm optimistic, someone prove me wrong. looks like ricky did already by his great job on the tuning. keep it up ricky!
 
#18 · (Edited)
Bruce H.:
I realize the fuel system doesn't make more power, and like I said above:
"I realize the is a lot more potential in 1sexy2's setup because the fuel system has been reworked, but again that is a lot more money."

I just expected to see more power out of it when running 19 psi. Like mentioned though, there is a CAT holding it back. I think it is a great setup, and the tuning looks amazing, I was just questioning the fact that you could get the same power out with less money.
Like mentioned though, "don't just get caught up on peak power," and I do realize that because it is an impressive powerband throughout. Either way, I would be more than happy with a power plant like that. I was not putting anyone down, or critizing anyone, I was just trying to understand things better, now I do.
 
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#19 ·
Nice numbers and nice setup to be sure! I wish all this effort could have been put into the same system with a catless exhaust so we can really know what the seutp is capable of. Still, we can reference his recent dyno of the CT27 with ROM tune, and I seem to remember that because of the cat (and possibly other things) that it was around 20-30RWHP lower than the average for that boost level. So, we can only assume that this setup has being choked the same amount, and could have likely made another 20RWHP at the same boost levels. However, we dont know what the turbo is capable of so it makes you wonder, heh.

I do, however, think that this would be the ultimate 300+RWHP pump gas (91 octane - 17 PSI) turbo with some mild 256s and an RMR.
 
#20 ·
flynhighaf23 said:
gt28rs seems like a sissy turbo on the mr2. minus well just save the money and buy a ct20 or ct27, or go BIG and get a real turbo!
Incredible - a guy just put down 293WTQ and over 300WHP with a cat installed, in a smog legal car and you call that sissy? WOW!

1sexy2 - you've got a great car. Enjoy.
 
#21 ·
More evidence that that the GT28RS is a superb choice for a street set up. Boost is useable and not an "event" For those looking to be around 300rwhp and have a large powerband this is the one. Can't wait to see what it can do on an unopened gen3, in a non smog restricted area, with better gas....
 
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#22 ·
Can we see the pump gas plot? I'm not so crazy about the torque loss from 5k to 7k... 150 ft-lbs drop is a lot. This is exaggerated by the race gas and high boost, so I'd really like to see the true street setup plot.
 
#23 ·
I'm glad to see a good Gt28rs dyno. I now see how comparable this turbo is to the CT27. I only have a few CT27 dynos with a cat.

Can you post the graph of the 270hp with 91 octane?

Nice setup good job!

MAtt
 
#24 ·
remember this has a cat in it, we've already seen the spool up of 2800 to 200ft/lbs on bruce h's car so this means spool is down around 400-500rpm straight away.

I've got a gt2860rs and a driven at ct27 and there not compairable at all. Peak might be similar but power band is totally different.

Just my opinion
 
#25 ·
Looks GOOD To me. Especially with cat in place. AWESOME SAFE tune there! AND... the gt28rs is a good turbo. Friend of mine has a Hass gt28rs turbo kit on his Spyder. 230rwhp on the spyder with instant spool is simply awesome too. I am strongly considering this turbo for my 91T and it is still in the running.

Thanks for the post and info Ricky. To 1sexy2...IT must be NICE!

Daniel :thumbup
 
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