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Isn't that the ugly nose off of that one horrible body kit for the MKII. Like the commando kit or something?
 

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If we use the RCF as any base point the FT-1 will be very expensive, and very boring in the handling department with lots of safety nannies. In concept if they use BMW's hot v twin turbo setup from the m6 the car would be stupid fast. Yet expect to pay the same price if not more. Yet all cars are moving up in price point to a new high. Making used cars so much more attractive to me now days.
 

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Supposedly working on a sports car chassis with BMW. BMW for the next Z4 or something with their power and Toyota for the next Supra. At first Toyota reportedly said they would use a turbo 4cyl with hybrid drive for power. Just a few days ago I read something hinting that Toyota might use V6 or twin turbo V6 for power. I like the 2nd concept that came out that actually say Supra on the back. Looks less F1 Lemans prototype in the front. I also just read that at some point GT86 chief engineer wants a power bump before the cycle ends for it. They are working on 3 drivetrains. Turbo, hybrid, and larger engine. Time will tell.
 

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Yea in the end of the day it comes down to price, and Soul. I bleed toyota red if you cut me but Toyota hasn't made a car yet that makes me want to own a new one off the lot. The FRS was a huge disapointment for me when I test drove one. The Dealership even tried again when they tossed me the keys to another one to have for a few days. Sorry to say just not for me, maybe I'd get one for my dad but not for me.
 

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They already have enough in the parts bin to build a Supra. They can use a version of the IS chassis and a higher output version of the 2GR. Keep the weight out of it and i see no reason why they couldnt a build a 350hp 2GR powered IS based Supra. Easy peezy Japanesey. If Nissan can build a Z starting at just over $30,000 there is NOOOOO reason Toyota cant build a Supra in the same price range.
 

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They already have enough in the parts bin to build a Supra. They can use a version of the IS chassis and a higher output version of the 2GR. Keep the weight out of it and i see no reason why they couldnt a build a 350hp 2GR powered IS based Supra. Easy peezy Japanesey. If Nissan can build a Z starting at just over $30,000 there is NOOOOO reason Toyota cant build a Supra in the same price range.
If they used a more powerful 2gr it would be like them ____ting on Lotus. Its the same reason why they never did a 2zz mrs, or made the FRS 50% Subaru instead of the traditionally co-teaming of Yamaha . I just feel there is more politics involved in the car making business then we may know.
 

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It would be a totally different class of car than the Lotus. Also, I mean N/A GR, not s/c. The GR engines have so much more in them. They just need to be uncorked. Also,I wonder what the direct injected GRs are capable of?
 

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Update: Looks like the FT-1 will go out as a Supra. So good for Toyota for getting the avant garde back on the road.

Is it heresy to want a MkIV as an all electric?
 

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From what I have read the production car should be smaller than the FT-1. What I don't like is that they are supposed to be using BMW power. The next Supra is supposed to a version of BMWs turbo 3.0 straight six. Even if it isn't a straight six, they could easily use a twin turbo GR. Not sure why they want the heart of their halo car to come from someone else. Imagine a Corvette with some other brands engine in it.
 

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From what I have read the production car should be smaller than the FT-1. What I don't like is that they are supposed to be using BMW power. The next Supra is supposed to a version of BMWs turbo 3.0 straight six. Even if it isn't a straight six, they could easily use a twin turbo GR. Not sure why they want the heart of their halo car to come from someone else. Imagine a Corvette with some other brands engine in it.
I want it to be a straight six and nobody does straight sixes like bmw. personally I feel like its a smart move by Toyota to go in with other manufacturers to make cars that are not going to net them any real profits but will be geared towards us, the small minority - auto enthusiast. if they have to go in with mazda, Subaru and bmw so be it. it keeps the price of the car down and lets me get a new supra. if they were partnering with kia that would be different but they are going in with arguably the best manufacturer of straight six rwd cars ever.
 

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I want it to be a straight six and nobody does straight sixes like bmw. personally I feel like its a smart move by Toyota to go in with other manufacturers to make cars that are not going to net them any real profits but will be geared towards us, the small minority - auto enthusiast. if they have to go in with mazda, Subaru and bmw so be it. it keeps the price of the car down and lets me get a new supra. if they were partnering with kia that would be different but they are going in with arguably the best manufacturer of straight six rwd cars ever.
Unlike the FRS, the Supra has history and a huge following. It will also be the Toyota brands halo car. I just think a car like this should have the engine of the brand on it. I wouldn't have a problem with them using a V6 as long as it was a Toyota engine. Picture Ferrari with someone elses engine.
 

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Imagine a Corvette with some other brands engine in it.
The 1988 Corvette was powered by a Mercury Marine V8. I get your point, but perhaps a poor example. If Toyota was to work with BMW to make a 3.0 inline 6 that put out 300hp NA, with a Turbo model that put out 400hp, I would have no problems with it at all.
 

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Unlike the FRS, the Supra has history and a huge following. It will also be the Toyota brands halo car. I just think a car like this should have the engine of the brand on it. I wouldn't have a problem with them using a V6 as long as it was a Toyota engine. Picture Ferrari with someone elses engine.
I get your point. It would bother me if they were having buick develop the motor but im all for a bmw inline 6 turbocharged engine. Instead of the Ferrari analogy I would think of it more like Porsche developing a turbocharged flat 6 or 4 for a future Subaru sti. Besides Yamaha had a hand in developing the 2jz.
 

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I get your point. It would bother me if they were having buick develop the motor but im all for a bmw inline 6 turbocharged engine. Instead of the Ferrari analogy I would think of it more like Porsche developing a turbocharged flat 6 or 4 for a future Subaru sti. Besides Yamaha had a hand in developing the 2jz.
A Porsche engine in a Subaru would be a step up. Sure Subaru has its own kind of funky pedigree, but a Porsche powered Subaru could only be cool. Yes BMW has a huge motorsports pedigree and sure they build some of the finest engines you can find, but the Supra is a halo car. You would think a company building a halo car would want their own engine in it.

On a different note, I recently read that Mercedes is doing away with their 90 degree V8 based V6 engines and will be coming out with a purpose built 60 degree V6. BUT! the same article also said that Mercedes is supposedly developing a new straight six for the future.
Another story said that 500cc cylinder engines will be the new big thing. Not new, but many manufacturers will go to them. 1.5 3cyl, 2.0 4 cyl, 3.0 6 cyl. The reason they say is that a 500cc undersqaure cylinder offers the best all around combination of power/torque/efficiency. Story also said that we will most likely see the return of the straight 6. Why you ask, with everyone downsizing engines AND needing to cut engine costs, they can use modular engine designs to get the 1.5 3 cyl, 2.o 4 cyl, and 3.0 6 cyl from the same basic design. Going straight 6 instead of V6 will allow the manufacturers to take advantage of modular engine designs.
 

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The 1988 Corvette was powered by a Mercury Marine V8. I get your point, but perhaps a poor example. If Toyota was to work with BMW to make a 3.0 inline 6 that put out 300hp NA, with a Turbo model that put out 400hp, I would have no problems with it at all.
No the '88 Corvette was not powered by a Mercury Marine V8! The 1st gen ZR1 Corvette was powered by a Lotus designed engine built by Mercury Marine. Lotus designed the engine to GM specs and for some reason got Mercury to build it. The base C4 Corvettes all had smallblock chevy V8s. The '84 had the crappy crossfire injected 350, after that they switched to the TPI L98 350, in '92 they switched to the LT1 for the base models, near the end of C4 production GS models and manual trans models got the LT4 while auto models still got the LT1. the ZR1 engine was named LT5.
 

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From what I have read the production car should be smaller than the FT-1. What I don't like is that they are supposed to be using BMW power. The next Supra is supposed to a version of BMWs turbo 3.0 straight six. Even if it isn't a straight six, they could easily use a twin turbo GR. Not sure why they want the heart of their halo car to come from someone else. Imagine a Corvette with some other brands engine in it.
My understanding is that BMW is designing/building two I6 engines for the shared chassis, with Toyota developing a hybrid system for the bigger engine. The hybrid will be the highest performing package offered with either car. The Toyota will only be offered with the big engine, either with or without the hybrid setup.

Also I think the Toyota car is supposed to be larger than the BMW, despite them being based on the same architecture.
 

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The Supra should be bigger than the Z4, BUT smaller than the FT-1 show car. I understand why they use the hybrid drivetrains. More performance. The only thing is that a sports car isn't just about straight line speed. It's about handling too. How much weight does the typical hybrid drivetrain add? What like minimum 400lbs or more depending on the system and if they want awd. That's a lot. Keep the car light and increase boost if you need. Modern hyper cars are different bc of the materials they use already make the cars featherweights so adding the hynbrid system isn't so bad. Also, the technology those cars use make everything much smaller and lighter. The spare no expense on hyper cars. I just wish Toyota would get off the hybrid high horse and make a great sports car that isnt also a heavy pig.
 

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I'm definitely with you on the weight issue. The last thing I'd want to see is a 4000lb mega-cruiser-hybrid. And that's damn close to what every modern BMW has become, if not contemporary cars on the whole.

But also, don't forget our Supras of yore (A70/A80), especially the turbo models have always been quite heavy — arguably they're much more grand tourers than outright sports cars.

Regardless, it will be nice to see Toyota back in the game. And really, who knows? The GT86 is a modern lightweight, so who's to say they don't go all aluminum/composite on us and crank out a sub-3000lb wunder-wagen. We live in a high-tech age now, so this halo car is almost guaranteed to be very high-tech. Let's hope for lightweight as well.
 

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I'm definitely with you on the weight issue. The last thing I'd want to see is a 4000lb mega-cruiser-hybrid. And that's damn close to what every modern BMW has become, if not contemporary cars on the whole.

But also, don't forget our Supras of yore (A70/A80), especially the turbo models have always been quite heavy — arguably they're much more grand tourers than outright sports cars.

Regardless, it will be nice to see Toyota back in the game. And really, who knows? The GT86 is a modern lightweight, so who's to say they don't go all aluminum/composite on us and crank out a sub-3000lb wunder-wagen. We live in a high-tech age now, so this halo car is almost guaranteed to be very high-tech. Let's hope for lightweight as well.
They've already done the high tech wunder wagon. It cost $400k and was called the LFA. The Supras being heavy in the past was bc they were badass well built cars. Imagine a MK4 Supra with a hybrid drive system added.
 
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