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I want an Elise/Exige, which IMO is the new age of the MR2, then drove the Evora....OMG, that car is so nice! It's more of a touring car, but it's a great car. The V6 is way better and can't imagine what the Exige V6 S cup is like. anyway... Not sure what to think of a Toyota/BMW. Neither car are what they once were.
 

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I'm not a fan of BMW, or German cars in general. Mostly, it's because their cars are expensive, but there isn't anything to really justify the price in my mind. They may have fancy gizmos and gadgets, but it really just seems to be more to go wrong, and it always does. They're over-engineered, not over-built, and they are a royal PITA to fix. More than a Toyota or even an "American" car, they're designed in boardrooms, by people who couldn't replace an alternator or starter, or a wiper blade for that matter, if they tried, and they never have. Also, the parts are expensive, and there's no apparent reason for that, either, except the name on the box; they're not of particularly great quality, as evidenced by the fact that they're always breaking.

In other words, they're expensive cheap cars. Where is the appeal in that?
 

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I should probably temper all that by saying that I'm not overly impressed by any new cars. There have been a couple of peaks and valleys in the automotive industry, and they're different for different brands, but there was a peak in the late 60s before the EPA suffocated American Muscle, and there was a peak around the turn of the century, in my opinion, among the Japanese cars. As the 2000s and teens have progressed, Japanese cars just don't do it for me anymore. I like the FR-S/BRZ, but other than that where have all the great cars of the mid-to-late- 90s gone? There is no more MR2, no more Supra, no more RX-7 (and the RX-8 was a shadow of what the RX-7 was), the Nissan Z-cars fail to impress me, as does the R35 GT-R. The proliferation of drive-by-wire is killing the enthusiasts' cars. It seems that all car companies care about anymore is putting good numbers on the spec sheets. The fastest cars are no longer available with true manual transmissions because "that dual-clutch transmission shifts faster than any human could ever, so that makes it better." All that drive-by-wire crap may be good for the average American commuter, but what about those of us that care about the experience of driving, for whom driving is not a mere chore to accomplish getting from one point to another, but a visceral experience?
 

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News out today has it that Honda has decided to build the next gen NSX in Ohio. Even better they are doing it without basterdizing the nameplate by partnering with gee I dont know Subaru or BMW. Nor are they developing a new cheapo sounding sub-brand for it like Sconda or Hion. All my respect lost for Toyota is being sent to Honda, Kudos to you Honda.
 

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Mr2Tech TX said:
I should probably temper all that by saying that I'm not overly impressed by any new cars. There have been a couple of peaks and valleys in the automotive industry, and they're different for different brands, but there was a peak in the late 60s before the EPA suffocated American Muscle, and there was a peak around the turn of the century, in my opinion, among the Japanese cars. As the 2000s and teens have progressed, Japanese cars just don't do it for me anymore. I like the FR-S/BRZ, but other than that where have all the great cars of the mid-to-late- 90s gone? There is no more MR2, no more Supra, no more RX-7 (and the RX-8 was a shadow of what the RX-7 was), the Nissan Z-cars fail to impress me, as does the R35 GT-R. The proliferation of drive-by-wire is killing the enthusiasts' cars. It seems that all car companies care about anymore is putting good numbers on the spec sheets. The fastest cars are no longer available with true manual transmissions because "that dual-clutch transmission shifts faster than any human could ever, so that makes it better." All that drive-by-wire crap may be good for the average American commuter, but what about those of us that care about the experience of driving, for whom driving is not a mere chore to accomplish getting from one point to another, but a visceral experience?
Build a caterham?
 

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News out today has it that Honda has decided to build the next gen NSX in Ohio. Even better they are doing it without basterdizing the nameplate by partnering with gee I dont know Subaru or BMW. Nor are they developing a new cheapo sounding sub-brand for it like Sconda or Hion. All my respect lost for Toyota is being sent to Honda, Kudos to you Honda.
So will they sell a Honda or an Acura NSX? I am glad they are not creating "sub-brands". That would be shameful! ;)
 

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It will be Acura NSX anywhere there is acura branding in that particular country, Honda NSX everywhere else.
I got that. You might not have read the previous post(about Toyota making up shell brands to try to sell more cars) to catch the sarcasm of my comment.
 

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Mr2Tech TX said:
I should probably temper all that by saying that I'm not overly impressed by any new cars. There have been a couple of peaks and valleys in the automotive industry, and they're different for different brands, but there was a peak in the late 60s before the EPA suffocated American Muscle, and there was a peak around the turn of the century, in my opinion, among the Japanese cars. As the 2000s and teens have progressed, Japanese cars just don't do it for me anymore. I like the FR-S/BRZ, but other than that where have all the great cars of the mid-to-late- 90s gone? There is no more MR2, no more Supra, no more RX-7 (and the RX-8 was a shadow of what the RX-7 was), the Nissan Z-cars fail to impress me, as does the R35 GT-R. The proliferation of drive-by-wire is killing the enthusiasts' cars. It seems that all car companies care about anymore is putting good numbers on the spec sheets. The fastest cars are no longer available with true manual transmissions because "that dual-clutch transmission shifts faster than any human could ever, so that makes it better." All that drive-by-wire crap may be good for the average American commuter, but what about those of us that care about the experience of driving, for whom driving is not a mere chore to accomplish getting from one point to another, but a visceral experience?
I agree 100% i left the mr2 scene and bought a brand new 135i and a month later the window pinch system failed......the [email protected]#@$ try to tell me some BS that it was because of tint....the damn tint was done why the same company that they were using to tint their cars. I ended up selling the 135 and just pocket my money.....
 

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I'd be a lot happier if it was a Toyota/Porsche partnership. Much better reliability....and Porsche knows how to build a sports car!

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I'd be a lot happier if it was a Toyota/Porsche partnership. Much better reliability....and Porsche knows how to build a sports car!

Bob
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I'm drooling just thinking about if that happened.
 

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Porche Cayman? The price starts at over $50K. For that kind of money I would be looking at a Lotus Exige. The whole, entire, point of the MR2 was as an affordable mid-engine car that is a huge amount of fun to drive around town.
 

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Porche Cayman? The price starts at over $50K. For that kind of money I would be looking at a Lotus Exige. The whole, entire, point of the MR2 was as an affordable mid-engine car that is a huge amount of fun to drive around town.
Obviously Porsche doesn't need Toyota's help to build a Boxster, they have done that on their own. The collaboration would be to share the best qualities of both companies, though usually we only get the bastard miscreants that display the worst of both companies...
I wonder why that is?
 

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BMW - Toyota Sports Car Heading Towards Tokyo Debut




Earlier this year, BMW and Toyota confirmed a four-part joint venture mostly focusing on increasing improving vehicle efficiency using fuel cells, lightweight materials and better battery technology. Also tucked into the announcement was a "feasibility study" for a shared platform to underpin a future midsize "sports vehicle."

In terms of the latter, it seems that things have stepped up from the feasibility stage to the conceptual stage, as Motor Trend reports we could see a pair of new sports car concepts debut later this year in at the Tokyo Motor Show. There isn't much information about the new program, but the article suggests the sports cars could be all-wheel drive hybrids, with electric motors powering the front wheels and a gas engine powering the rear wheels. While a partnership between Toyota and BMW might not lend itself to a catchy portmanteau like "Toyobaru," here's hoping it will bear fruit that is as exciting as the ones produced by the Toyota/Subaru tie up.

Source : Autoblog.com

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