I really like how the car drives without a rear swaybar but I would do it with stiffer springs in the rear to compensate, otherwise the rear has too much body roll.e.widlingphoto said:+1 I've driven without front or rear swaybars in my 93 and I can tell you it doesn't feel nice. All the quick response and agility of the car goes down the drain and you feel like you're driving a bus. Having said that I now run no rear sway bar (still have the front) and it feels fine. Maybe it's because I got used to it but having just the front sway bar seems good enough? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
This is incorrect.it is known that running no sway bars increases grip, but is this still applicable to stock 94' turbo? I was thinking of removing them and then stiffening up the stock shocks, stiffer in the front.
Regardless of the theory, I have done alot of actual testing, both on the street and autoxing on swaybars vs non and it busted alot of myths for me. Especially the one that swaybars don't affect ride quality, they do in a huge way.Farnorth said:Ideally, you want no bars at all - while they don't create any extra weight transfer (the total amount of weight transfer is a function of track, CG height, and roll centre location) they can only add a larger proportion of roll resistance at that end of the car, which means increasing that end's share of the roll resistance, which in turn means "unsticking" that end of the car.
On paper, it definitely sounds like you made the right choice losing the rear bar. Having rear spring rates double the front rates, AND a rear bar, just too much of your roll rate was coming from the rear. Oversteer city = hard to drive fast.I removed my rear bar and did my first track day of the year and loved the change. I added adjustable tension rods in the front removed the hard poly bushings and set caster to 6deg. The total change was teriffic. easy to correct, more predictable, and faster.
setup is: Tein HA's 4k front/8k rear with the stock front bar. RCA's, and adjustable tie rods up front. 91 rear crossmember . 225/45-15 245/45-16 Toyo R888's
I wouldn't say most people only run a front bar. In fact, I would say that setup is still quite rare on the MKII. Stock class autocrossers have historically upgraded the front bar only, but that was because that is all they were allowed to do by class rules.I have a 94 turbo with a 3rd gen swap and bolt ons and looking to upgrade my suspension.. The car is mainly a street car with maybe occasionally some track use but I doubt much. As of now the car is on KYB AGX adjustable shocks and Eibach Sportline springs with 17's. I was planning on buying a poly urthethane bushing kit and replacing all of the bushings and a set of sway bars but after reading through some threads most of you guys only run the front sway bar especially for a street car.. I want the car to be fun in the streets while having a somewhat comfortable ride which is why I chose not to go coilovers. I wanted some feedback on what you guys think?