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REDtop BEAMS Piston Rings 13011-88560

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Does anyone have a source for standard piston rings for the redtop beams? The rings are out of production and out of stock at all of the normal JDM sources. I've also checked the catalogs for NPR, TP, Hastings & Riken but they don't list a 3SGE engine with the same size rings. The rings are 1.2mm, 1.2mm, 4.0mm which is apparently unique to the 3SGE family.
The Toyota Part Number is 13011-88560.

I thought of using the 3SGTE rings (1.2, 1.5, 4.0mm) for the 1st and Oil ring and the 1AZFE rings (1.2, 1.2, 2.0mm) for the middle ring and see if they match the (used) set I have.
Has anyone had rings made?
I'm looking for any possible solution, what are people doing for the redtop piston rings?

John
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Nothing useful to add -- I'm looking too and wondering what to do.

Only other observation is that Blacktop rings are also close (1.2 1.2 3.0 mm), for mix and match.
I know this is kinda an old post, but curious what you ended up doing, I'm in the same boat. I don't mind the idea of buying a 3SGTE and black top set and mixing and matching if that works. Thanks!

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I know this is kinda an old post, but curious what you ended up doing, I'm in the same boat. I don't mind the idea of buying a 3SGTE and black top set and mixing and matching if that works. Thanks!

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I know this is kinda an old post, but curious what you ended up doing, I'm in the same boat. I don't mind the idea of buying a 3SGTE and black top set and mixing and matching if that works. Thanks!

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After talking with the Technical VP at Total Seal, I ended up reusing the old rings. The engine had very low mileage.
I'm still interested in what others have done for pistons and have used pistons from a 3SGE or 3SGTE engine in case I wanted to rebore and go oversized.
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I just did a redtop rebuild, and was in the same boat. My old pistons weren't great and I needed to rebore anyway.



Importantly, the beams head has a much lower head volume than the previous generations. That's partially how that engine gets its high compression ratio (11.4:1). This means that pistons from the old generations don't work. I found that the hard way after trying to use some Wossner pistons for "all generations" 3SGE, and seeing them hit the head.

I measured a 33.7 cc head volume on the redtop head. The internet tells me the blacktop head is 33 cc -- which means the redtop is probably the same and I spilled a bit of water measuring.



Also, importantly, this means pistons made for the blacktop should be ok (and a nice bump up in compression ratio / power). I don't know if the stock ECU will handle the increased CR.

I used these JE 12.5:1 pistons for the BT. That solves the ring problem too, because aftermarket pistons come with non-discontinued rings. They fit ok and turn over no problem. Just started that engine for the first time this weekend and went through the break-in. Will circle back here later once I've put a few more track hours on it.

The only thing to keep in mind is the oil squirters. The redtop and blacktop ones are slightly different and the RT ones don't clear. BT ones are easy to find.



Anyway, hope that helps.

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