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Good news people! If you put decent wheels and tires on an FR-S you get excellent performance! Try and act surprised.

Now all we need is a supercharged version putting out 280hp and Toyota will finally have delivered on the promise of the FR-S:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/tire-upgrade-gives-scion-fr-record-setting-performance-213000155.html

Of course it still isn't a mid-engine configuration and you have electrical power assist and a ton of electronic gizmos no self-respecting go-karter would be caught dead with...
 

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First Toyota did deliver on it promise. Second why not just upgrade the tires on the factory wheels? Or, upgrade to some lightweight 17s instead of going to 18s. This way you get the benefit of added grip, but most likely not the mpg hit.
 

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You can really tell what is important to people these days. They spent so much time focusing on the wheel increase and it's
"plus-1" (one-inch larger) tire and wheel upgrade
that they never even say how wide a tire they upgraded to. The one aspect that's actually important to this equation aside from the compound.
I agree with trying to put better tires on the stock wheels.
Coming from a past where cars ran 13s and 14s it just seems ridiculous to me to need to step up to an 18 for any reason other than looks.
Throw that thing on some fatty 13s or 14s and it would probably kill their 18" setup especially when it came to actual driving including acceleration and response.
 

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You can really tell what is important to people these days. They spent so much time focusing on the wheel increase and it's that they never even say how wide a tire they upgraded to. The one aspect that's actually important to this equation aside from the compound.
I agree with trying to put better tires on the stock wheels.
Coming from a past where cars ran 13s and 14s it just seems ridiculous to me to need to step up to an 18 for any reason other than looks.
Throw that thing on some fatty 13s or 14s and it would probably kill their 18" setup especially when it came to actual driving including acceleration and response.
Agreed, it's purely cosmetic, and not always an "upgrade". The only reason I can see a bigger wheel coming in handy would be bigger brakes. But with 200hp, I don't exactly see a need for upgraded brakes beyond the capability of what a 17" wheel would provide.

I think people just can't handle how well balanced the car is in every aspect of it's design. It's one of those cars that needs full upgrades if you're going to start doing them. Wheels and tires? Better get more power while you're at it, and work the suspension at the same time.

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I had read a different comparison on the Subi version a few months ago. They tried stock tires vs upgraded 17s and 18s. The upgraded 17s was the fastest around the track. The upgraded 17s were on aftermarket wheels that I think were lighter than stock with larger stickier tires. The 18s just added too much weight and the additional grip if any just was needed so it was more of a detriment.

On a different note I would love to drive one of these with the motor punched out to say 2.4 or 2.5 liters and still n/a. I think 250hp/200 torque n/a with no weight addition would be ideal for these cars.
 

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Top Gear reviewed the FR-S on Season 19 Episode 3. I agree wholeheartedly with their assessment. You can catch the episode over at streetfire.net.
 

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3SGTE-WaNNaBe said:
Agreed, it's purely cosmetic, and not always an "upgrade". The only reason I can see a bigger wheel coming in handy would be bigger brakes. But with 200hp, I don't exactly see a need for upgraded brakes beyond the capability of what a 17" wheel would provide.

I think people just can't handle how well balanced the car is in every aspect of it's design. It's one of those cars that needs full upgrades if you're going to start doing them. Wheels and tires? Better get more power while you're at it, and work the suspension at the same time.

-Josh

17" Enkei RPF1's with Direzza ZII's or Ventus R-S3's work wonders for the car. I drove one at an auto-x with these wheels/tires as well as TRD springs and exhaust and it was awesome! That being said, I'm still opting for an 18" wheel/tire setup because cosmetically it looks ideal and the weight penalty will be offset once I add more power. I plan on using the stock wheels/tires for drift spares, as that's about all those tires are good for!

The stock brakes actually get really hot after repeated track use. Someone managed to melt the dust boots off the stock calipers after a track day, so a brake upgrade may be necessary for some. The good news is that every company on earth makes a BBK for these cars, the WRX 4pot/2pot brakes bolt right up, and the STi Brembos fit with just some minor modifications.

I'll be getting these TSW Interlagos in 18x8 +35 offset, with Hankook R-S3 in 245/40R18. What do you guys think?




 

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What's getting me is dealers modifying the cars before putting it on sale. Looked an a red FRS on Friday. $3000 for some custom Velocci leather package, $500 for tint, and $2000 for something else. Looked at one today that's been pre-ruined for an additional $7000, 19" wheels (that weren't nice), and an ugly body kit. The FR-S is NOT a car people want to buy already modified from a dealer. And it is NOT worth $35,000 sticker price.
 

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That sucks, man. Seems like it's mostly happening in California and Florida. Everywhere else they're stock and at sticker. If you really want to buy one the best bet is to ship it from out of state. There's no shortage of FR-S and BRZ in New England, and the BRZ's you can even get discounted from MSRP. Mine should be here at the end of the month; w00t!
 

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What's getting me is dealers modifying the cars before putting it on sale. Looked an a red FRS on Friday. $3000 for some custom Velocci leather package, $500 for tint, and $2000 for something else. Looked at one today that's been pre-ruined for an additional $7000, 19" wheels (that weren't nice), and an ugly body kit. The FR-S is NOT a car people want to buy already modified from a dealer. And it is NOT worth $35,000 sticker price.
its funny you say that, we have sold more turbo kits to dealerships than to end users :)

The dealership's problem is that people take them for a test drive and love the car but are disappointed with the power output so $5k later and they have something that gives the power output that most customers are expecting...

Now that doesn't mean they need to ruin them with ugly aesthetics but who doesn't want more power :)
 

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I know right... That's funny too because Toyota keeps saying people aren't really that interested in having more power. 9/10 people I see/hear talking at least mention that the frs needs more power. I would be a buyer if it had 250-300hp stock.
 
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