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According to CASC-OR rules, changing the number of valves or camshafts is strictly prohibitted, and as such automatically knocks you into a mod class. C mod for me, because I'm under 2 liters of displacement (personally I think this is BS, but if I want to race at certain locations, I have to stick to their rules)

Yeah it sucks that essentially all engine swaps go to mod up here,but what else are they to do when you use an engine that was never offered in north america-they gotta draw a line somewhere.
To be competive your best bet would be to go back to the 16v(gze would be best choice for autox obviously)and your car with its mods would easily fit in SP.
I run my corolla in D-mod but its the class I built the car for instead of ending up in due to a poor engine choice.
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Yeah there are a few things I can do legaly in STS2 that will loose some weight.
you could buy a crx...


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I don' wanna *stumps feet and runs away*

I had CRX's it sux that I didn't know about auto-x at the time. I will focus on my driving for now though. The car feels good and I will just focus on maintanance on it for now maybe a tiny bit of tweaking here and there but I'm happy with the setup.

I noticed that I was driving like a grandma last time. Not looking ahead, breaking everywhere, I dunno I guess I got too focused on how the car feels other then driving it. Hopefully I can break myself out of this slump and start driving.
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Slava, are you going to AI this weekend? You guys should walk with us. Maybe ride along for a run? We could tell you where you should be looking.

I was surprised at what your MkI weighed. The lightest '93s aren't much heavier. Still, the car should do well.

And Steve- I still work on the car and Carrie drives it so that counts!

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Slava, are you going to AI this weekend? You guys should walk with us. Maybe ride along for a run? We could tell you where you should be looking.

I was surprised at what your MkI weighed. The lightest '93s aren't much heavier. Still, the car should do well.

And Steve- I still work on the car and Carrie drives it so that counts!

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Yeah I wouldn't mind actualy, I think I might do non-comp runs in the afternoon to get more seat time.

I bet if you or Ian got in the car you could get within a second of the CRX's times....seriously I think all it needs is a good driver now.
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Yeah it sucks that essentially all engine swaps go to mod up here,but what else are they to do when you use an engine that was never offered in north america-they gotta draw a line somewhere.
To be competive your best bet would be to go back to the 16v(gze would be best choice for autox obviously)and your car with its mods would easily fit in SP.
I run my corolla in D-mod but its the class I built the car for instead of ending up in due to a poor engine choice.
I know. I've seen your little orange monster, and we've talked about setup a couple of times.

It's one of the reasons why I really like running up in Barrie.
It's a fun place to test and tune, due to them tossing CASC-OR out the window.

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I see they changed their classing rules for this year, and now they too shun the 20v motor. Back to being an underprepared mod I go....

Still, it's a nice venue, and TLMC runs things well.

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I know. I've seen your little orange monster, and we've talked about setup a couple of times.

It's one of the reasons why I really like running up in Barrie.
It's a fun place to test and tune, due to them tossing CASC-OR out the window.
We've talked before eh?,you'll have to remind what car you drive(I truly suck with names-faces are ok but..).
I'll be in Barrie on sunday with mine,you able to make it?.(weather is supposed to be perfect for a change).I didn't get ftd(was 2nd overall) 2 weeks ago at the regional but it was the cars debut for the season with the new out in left field engine combo I came up with-see the 1st gen supercharged/turbo'd section for pics.
All in all for the 1st time out wasn't so bad.
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I have prior comitments this weekend, but fully intend to be there for their late September event. (28th)

I drive the slightly ratty looking white 88, with a black roof.
It's not pretty but between what I have done to it, and a lot of enthusiam on the track, it was more then enough to win me a Krylon Award from Bill at K2008
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Yeah I wouldn't mind actualy, I think I might do non-comp runs in the afternoon to get more seat time.
Do it!
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I have prior comitments this weekend, but fully intend to be there for their late September event. (28th)

I drive the slightly ratty looking white 88, with a black roof.
It's not pretty but between what I have done to it, and a lot of enthusiam on the track, it was more then enough to win me a Krylon Award from Bill at K2008
Too bad you can't make it,hopefully you'll make a later event.
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You missed a really fun course,I picked up ftd by just under 2 seconds.Hope you can make the next one.
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Well the car is fast. It seems like I need a new clutch though...can't launch it anymore.

I ended up doing ok in the morning for my timed runs but I was consentrating on getting a line and looking ahead. In the afternoon NonComp runs I dropped 2 seconds of my other time

I think my tire pressures were too low but I got too lazy and stopped caring and just drove the car. The car sticks like a bat out of hell....but has fun oversteer when you cut a corner too close and lift (I blame that on my driving)
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Excellent report. Glad to hear the car is really coming on now.

With the higher spring rates it is likely that you will find the tires like higher pressures. This keeps the tire's spring rate purportional to the wheel rate. That keeps the tire from moving more than the shock/spring. And that makes the springs do the work and retain the proper balance.

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Yeah I've noticed that. I'm starting to get more worried about my driving vs the car....I now blame myself for stupid mistakes (like lifting after going full throttle on an off camber corner that I cut too tight on thus making me spin....duh it's going to spin, it's not the cars fault )

Finaly found that banging sound in the back of the car, it turned out to be the top gland nut that holds the shock in the strut tube backed out almost all the way. Only took me 3 months to find that

It's kinda nice. There are a few things that I need to do to the car most of it is maintanace related and weight savings. I don't have to mess with the suspension much anymore....tire pressures are my biggest worries.

So all I have to do is relearn how to drive fast again. I can find a very good line driving slower but start forgetting everything when I go faster, just something to work on.

Thanks Steve, you made me like going to Auto-X in the MR2 again. Before your help I was contemplating setting up another car for a different class but now I am confident that I can hopefully start nipping at Ian Bakers and the Snyders heels here in bit....it's a tall order but it's a goal, and you need goals in life

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Finaly found that banging sound in the back of the car, it turned out to be the top gland nut that holds the shock in the strut tube backed out almost all the way. Only took me 3 months to find that
I had the exact same thing happen on my car. I thought it was strut tops at first (and even replaced them), but it turned out to be the gland nut was loose. I didn't realize you were tracking down a rear clunk or I'd have suggested that.

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Funny thing is I had the same noise on my black MR2 two years ago....it turned out to be a loose bolt on the lower control arm. I kept tightening all the bolts on this car thinking it was the same thing....imagine my surprise when I was installing my new coolant hose after an interesting battery install (don't ask) at 3am on Sat and touched the strut and it made noise.

Sometime I feel I shouldn't touch cars anymore and just buy a stock civic.

The reason I didn't ask about this though is because most of my questions go unanswered in the MK1 forum or the answers are totaly off.
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Steve,

I keep getting more pissed at my car's setup.... I went from 1st overall in the point series for my local club to 3rd in 1 rainy event where the setup didn't work....

My problem is one people with dedicated race cars probably have little sympathy for... I need this car to be acceptable to the wife on the street, and not exacerbate my back problems, so here is a hypothetical that I think will help my perspective:

If you had to run softer springs, what percentage softer would they have to be (than ideal with no sways) before you would put a front swaybar back on?

edit: as opposed to just running springs that were too soft to be ideal with no bars.
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Well, compromise typically results in the car being bad at both.

If you start backing off on spring rate you start having other problems. Roll center movement, hitting the bump stops, slower transitions, camber going positive.... etc....

So compromise is compromise. If you need a better ride, put a swaybar on it.

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Well, compromise typically results in the car being bad at both.

If you start backing off on spring rate you start having other problems. Roll center movement, hitting the bump stops, slower transitions, camber going positive.... etc....

So compromise is compromise. If you need a better ride, put a swaybar on it.

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thanks. that really firms up my thinking about my ideal compromise setup.
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