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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old February 10th, 2006, 15:20 Thread Starter
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Camcorder: Panosonic GS-PV250
Wide Angle Lens: $25 eBay lens
Batteries: 2
Mount: I/O Port mount
Bullet Cam: None right now
Data Aquisition: Traqmate with TrackVision data overlay
Computer: Dell Insperion 6000; 1.6GHz PM CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, 256MB Video
Video Editor: Windows Movie Maker 2.1
Sample Video: (w/o wide angle lens) One Lap at Lime Rock, AutoX Run (no mount; zipped tied to roll bar)
Video with wide angle lens: One Lap at VIR
Video with Data Overlay: 1:45 lap at Mid Ohio - Has G-Forces, Speed, RPM, Throttle Position, Brake, and Track Map overlayed onto video.

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I wouldn't recommend getting a high end camera for regular track use. The vibration could harm it. Don't get a DVD camera either. MiniDV seems to be the standard now. A used ebay camcorder would probably be the best bet. Mine has optical image stabilization. It works very well on large smooth motions, but not so well in harsh vibrations (see sample video). Most camcorders have atleast digital image stabilization. I would also recommend one with a good wind cut feature as well.

Having multiple batteries for track days is essential. I can get away with 2 batteries during a weekend track event. I charge one while the other is in use. You'll only need 1 battery for autox use as long as you remember to shut it off inbetween runs.

The I/O port mount has a bushing that is supposed to reduce vibration. Most sanctioning bodies also allow you to use this mount.

My computer could use some more processing power, and definately needs more HD space.

Movie Maker seems to be descent for basic editing of videos, especially for the price (free with XP).
I usually import, edit, and save my videos as 'High qaulity video (large)'. This seems to be a pretty good compromise between quality and file size. It would be better to import and edit the video in DV-AVI, but I don't have anywhere near the hard drive space.


OK, now you guys post your setups...

-Scott

Edit: added video with wide angle lens

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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old February 10th, 2006, 21:30
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Okay. Mind if I steal your format?

Camcorder: Sony DCR-TVR120 Digital8
Batteries: 2 [one standard, one 4 hour]
Mount: Hama suction mount
Bullet Cam: None right now
Computer: Athlon64 3200+, 512MB RAM, 250GB HD, ATi Radeon 9800XT
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Sample Video:
Track day - Mount issues
Drift session

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Camcorder was used from eBay and a great value. A big heavy tank. No vibration problems, stabilization works quite well. The one big battery is plenty for a track day - it's tapes I often run out of.

The suction mount doesn't stick as well as it used to, as you see in the track video above. One side tilts down frequently, and mounting is more difficult than it used to be. The mount doesn't work at all on my MK2's tinted rear window. The stability/damping from this mount is superb though. Even worked hanging from the rear hatch glass of my RX-7!

I included the drift video because the mount was working correctly, although I mistakenly mounted it a little low.

Google video highly compressed my videos, the version I uploaded (40mb for track day) was much larger and higher quality.

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Might I suggest a wide angle lens attachment for your setup? I enjoy the difference mine made. I use an 0.5x, it lets me see more of my steering, my shifting, as well as providing a better sense of speed.

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BryanH, do you have an LSD? How do you initiate the drift? by throttle lift-off?

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No LSD, it's basically a standard SC with very minor suspension work. I was peg-leggin it out there. I always used weight transfer to start the drift, so yeah, usually throttle lift.


Here's a lap from my RX-7 using the suction mount at the forward edge of the rear hatch glass. No wide angle lens needed here, the camera was far enough back. You can just make it out in this photo.

I use the Raynox DVR-5000 wide angle lens. The quality is excellent for Digital8/MiniDV.

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Camcorder: Sony DCR-TRV260 with 0.5x wide angle lens
Batteries: 2 [one standard, one 4 hour]
Mount: A screw through the top center console bin (see pic below) and a bungee cord for additional stability and "downforce"
Bullet Cam: None
Computer: AMD Duron 800, 256mb RAM, 30gb C: drive, 160gb D: drive, NVIDIA Riva TNT2 Model 64 video card
Video Editor: ArcSoft ShowBiz 2 (came with my HP DVD burner)
Sample Video: Race replay

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Here's my ultra high tech camera mount:



It's a screw of the correct size and thread pitch to screw into the bottom of the camcorder. I took apart the storage bin lid, drilled a hole through the top, put the screw through it, and reassembled the lid. The screw is nicely sandwiched between the two pieces of the lid and isn't going anywhere. I spin the camera onto the screw, aim it, and then hook a bungee cord over it (either end of the bungee hooks into the T-top holders behind the seats). The downforce from the bungee stops the camera from shaking from side to side, and holds the storage bin lid on in case the 19 year old plastic decides to give way.

If sab0276 needs a better computer, maybe you can give me yours when you upgrade, because I REALLY need a better one! It's the weak link in the system, but at least it works - most of the time. And I know there are better video editing programs out there, but again, it's what I've got, and it works.

I, and many other Miata drivers, have gotten so much vibration from an I/O Port mount on a roll bar that the resulting video is nearly unusable (this was also before my wide angle lens). But other people in other cars haven't had this problem, so I think it's specific to Miatas - which means it'll work just fine on an MR2, as sab0276's video demonstrates.

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Camcorder: Pentax Optio MX wi/ wide angle lens
Batteries: 1
Mount: Top of Tripod with legs removed
Bullet Cam: None
Computer: Compaq laptop
Video Editor: Windows Movie Maker 2.1
Sample Video: Low quality/Wide angle , High qualtiy/wideangle , duct taped camera/ugly video.

I have only been tracking my car for about a year. All I did was take my stills digital camera and duct tape it to the rollbar harness bar. That didn't work too well. I then made a mount using a tripod. The camera has the standard screw hole on the bottom. The mount is clamped to the harness bar. You can see it in the pic below, just to the left of my helmet. I consider this as a low cost in car setup that now works well.

Video quality is dependent on camera settings. The better the quality the larger of a memory card you need. I now have a 1gb card which allows me to record about 45mins of track time on high quality.

The only problem I have is with wind noise. The camera uses a built in mike on the front. A camera with an external mic would be better. I'm going to try taping some foam wind filter on the mic is see if it make a difference.




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Camcorder: SONY DCR-TRV250 ( Weighs 28 oz, tank. Several years old. Write-head is struggling with alignment now when it gets jostled. Ripped the threaded tripod-mount right out of the case two years ago, too, which is why I'm shopping for a new one. )
Format: Digital8
Wide Angle Lens: Yes now, but "mount1" video below are stock-lens. Sima .5X "SLS-05" ( ~$35, gift )
Batteries: 1, stock

Mount1: Simple plate under passenger headrest. Sub-standard field-of-view which doesn't include hands or steering wheel. Picture. How to make.
Sample: http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira011203/1st-lastlap.mpg

Mount2: Bar between headrests.
Picture. How to make.
Sample: http://planet-torque.com/ms/cwscc102404/action.wmv

Mount3: Platform welded to firewall, with u-bracket. This is the one my co-driver built into our ice-race mk1.
Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3
I'm not sure where my co-driver got the little rubber mat under the camera, but the yellow foam is a free sample of Memory Foam from Temper-Pedic Mattresses ( and we did buy a mattress, too ).
Sample: http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira0218...race3david.mp4 ( yesterday! )

Mount4: ChaseCam headrest mount. Not mine, but I used it with my camera in a friend's car. I didn't particularly like it, though. Looks nice, but I don't think the single seat it mounts to provides enough stability, at least not with a heavy camera. Note the rockin' and rollin', compared to other videos.
Sample: http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr100503/20031005run5.wmv

Computer: various, Dell Dimension 2100 w/ Windows ME for awhile, but now my Powerbook with iMovie.
Video Editor: Windows Movie Maker on Windows gets the job done, but iMovie rocks.

I'll probably edit this with more information later, but that's a start. Tons and tons of samples from all three mounts are here -> http://planet-torque.com/ms/

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This isn't my setup, but a friend's, and something I'm now looking into.

Camera: cheap digital security camera, allegedly purchased from Harbor Freight for ~$40, but I can't find in their catalog ( probably like this one )
Recorder: Personal Media Center from Mustek. $100 from Amazon.
Format: Solid-state memory card
Mount: Gaffer's tape the camera anywhere and run the wire

The particular camera they bought was too cheap, and the picture quality was insufficient, but you can put this package together quite cheaply, and it should a) last a long time and b) be very flexible about mounting.
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Camcorder: (Was) my parents Kodak Z7590 (12fps), just bought a Canon Powershot S2 IS (30fps) off e-bay. should give a better qaulitiy pic.
Wide Angle Lens: None right now.
Batteries: 1.
Mount: stuck onto top of center console very ghetto style with a cd case and lacky bands.
Bullet Cam: None right now.
Computer: Toshiba M70/700.
Video Editor: Video Impressions 1.6.
Sample Video: this is with the Kodak http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...48753781800268


what i would like to know, what do you guy's recomend for a small external 'cone cam' type of camera set-up? something that i could feed into my laptop?
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Camcorder: Sharp VL-NZ50u (available used in great condition on Ebay for about $30 to $80 each with accessories and charger)
Batteries: extended BT-L445 ([email protected]) Lasts 90+ minutes
Mount: Adhesive Velcro strips; one underneath and one on top between the window and a simple foam spacer (cost: $2.00)
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Notes: Camcorders are used from eBay and a great value. Format is unusual but works well for cheap but stable mounting to dash and to rear window sill. No vibration problems, stabilization works quite well.
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This isn't my setup, but a friend's, and something I'm now looking into.

Camera: cheap digital security camera, allegedly purchased from Harbor Freight for ~$40, but I can't find in their catalog ( probably like this one )
Recorder: Personal Media Center from Mustek. $100 from Amazon.
Format: Solid-state memory card
Mount: Gaffer's tape the camera anywhere and run the wire
I finally put this together, so adding onto my list started above...

Camera: ChaseCam 380-line bullet camera ( $195 w/ mic )
Microphone: ChaseCam external
Batteries: 8 AA for the camera and mic
Recorder: Mustek PVR A1 ( $80 from TigerDirect )
Media: Transcend 4GB CF card ( $49 from TD )

Mount5: I used the foam pad mentioned in post #7 above, and a hose clamp, and secured the camera to the platform off the firewall. You could do this lots of different places in the car, or just use Gaffer's Tape. The PVR and mic were in a camera bag bungied to the passenger floor.

Sample Video: http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira021107/Kenton1.wmv ( 13 minutes, and 55 MB ) The mount is little crooked, and needs to be higher, but this was a last minute, hurry-up, installation while on a windy frozen lake Was too busy getting the motor swapped before this race, to worry about the camera. Better samples to come.

Notes: The best part of this deal is 'no moving parts'. Recording to flash card is the way to go, and from what every manufacturer I asked told me, Camcorders will still shut down when their gravity switch is triggered, even if recording to solid-state media ( for no good reason, I might add ). If you're going to be getting bumped around, solid-state is the only way to go. Plus, I can put the camera almost anywhere, which I hope to play with later.

Only problem so far is that the internal battery in the PVR only lasts about 90 minutes in 20 degree weather, so only 1/3 of our races were recorded. We're working on a hard-wired power solution, but for autocross and most over types of racing, it'll work fine as-is.
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Further progress on the solid-state setup...

We mounted a 12v->110v inverter, and powered the Mustek recorder with it, via the cigarette lighter. Now we have essentially unlimited recorder battery life. 1 pack of AA batteries driving the ChaseCam lasts at least one full 16-race weekend, even in sub-freezing temperatures.

I still haven't filled the 4 GB CF card. A full day of racing, which is 2-3 hours, takes up less than a gigabyte. Unless you're running Dakar, one 4 GB card should be more than enough. I made a couple 'aerial manuevers' over large snowbanks this past weekend, and video is rock solid... again, no moving parts. It only takes about 10-20 minutes to copy a whole day of racing video over USB onto your editing machine, too.

The one problem we had was getting just the right POV. I splurged and bought a flexible steel mount from Viosport. Just $15, and I love it. The ChaseCam screws onto one end, and the other end screws anywhere you can get a 1/4-20 bolt. I mounted ours to our camera platform shown above, and now the camera looks right over the driver's shoulder.

Samples:
http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira0218...ce4-first2.wmv
http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira0218...laps-david.wmv
http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira0218...ce1-first3.wmv
http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira0218...2-complete.wmv

To sum up; for $350 total I got the ChaseCam, Mustek PVR-A1 recorder, 4 GB flash card, and flexible mount. I never have to buy a tape, or other media, and there's nothing to break, or wear out, except the batteries powering the camera. I think this is just about the perfect in-car setup
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Camera: Viosport (we have 4 adventure-cams and 4 adventure-cam h20s)
Batteries: Rechargeable
Recorder: nNovia A2D solid state recorder with rechargeable packs

Mounts: We have most of the mounts that Viosport offers.

Sample Video: http://blip.tv/file/134127/

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I finally put this together, so adding onto my list started above...

Camera: ChaseCam 380-line bullet camera ( $195 w/ mic )
Microphone: ChaseCam external
Batteries: 8 AA for the camera and mic
Recorder: Mustek PVR A1 ( $80 from TigerDirect )
Media: Transcend 4GB CF card ( $49 from TD )

Mount5: I used the foam pad mentioned in post #7 above, and a hose clamp, and secured the camera to the platform off the firewall. You could do this lots of different places in the car, or just use Gaffer's Tape. The PVR and mic were in a camera bag bungied to the passenger floor.

Sample Video: http://planet-torque.com/ms/mira021107/Kenton1.wmv ( 13 minutes, and 55 MB ) The mount is little crooked, and needs to be higher, but this was a last minute, hurry-up, installation while on a windy frozen lake Was too busy getting the motor swapped before this race, to worry about the camera. Better samples to come.

Notes: The best part of this deal is 'no moving parts'. Recording to flash card is the way to go, and from what every manufacturer I asked told me, Camcorders will still shut down when their gravity switch is triggered, even if recording to solid-state media ( for no good reason, I might add ). If you're going to be getting bumped around, solid-state is the only way to go. Plus, I can put the camera almost anywhere, which I hope to play with later.

Only problem so far is that the internal battery in the PVR only lasts about 90 minutes in 20 degree weather, so only 1/3 of our races were recorded. We're working on a hard-wired power solution, but for autocross and most over types of racing, it'll work fine as-is.
what sort of input does a recording device need to have to plug in a chase cam?
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what sort of input does a recording device need to have to plug in a chase cam?

Either a direct plug in for our devices (like our PDR100 recorder) or a simple RCA jack (composite video) along with an adapter we supply with our cameras.
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Either a direct plug in for our devices (like our PDR100 recorder) or a simple RCA jack (composite video) along with an adapter we supply with our cameras.
so i could plug a chase cam straight in to this?

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I finally put this together, so adding onto my list started above...

Recorder: Mustek PVR A1 ( $80 from TigerDirect )
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what sort of battery time do you get on one of those when recording video?
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EDIT: nm, i see it in your post
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More "mounts". I bought a roll of Gaffer's tape, and have been taping my ChaseCam to various things

http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr102007/ochiai.wmv ( street-tired MR2, taped to helmet )
http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr072807/ET-072807.wmv ( another helmet cam, STU Evo )
http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr072807/CF-072807.wmv ( taped to fender of STU M3 )
http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr072807/KC-072807.wmv ( rear fender of a Z06 )
http://planet-torque.com/ms/cr072807/BL-072807.wmv ( helmet cam in ESP Mustang )
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I'm a bit too lazy to list all my gear so here is a picture. I sold some of the stuff in order to fund other hobbies (mr2).



Main Video Camera-Sony DCR-VX2100
Batteries-Enough
Mount-None.
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