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I think the line in that article reading: "And staying true to the spirit of the last MR2 roadster..." is probably bad news for some. We'll see...
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Well, what would Toyota use if they were releasing it today? A 2ar? Much better motor than a 1zz IMO. The MR-S was great, just kind of ugly and had a crap motor.
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I think the line in that article reading: "And staying true to the spirit of the last MR2 roadster..." is probably bad news for some. We'll see...
Add the fact they have already mentioned its a hybrid.. a more powerful Pruis drivetrain in the back with batteries in the frunk..

And for the matter, the fact they have said its a hybrid pretty much gaurantees some sort of CVT type drivetrain.. no more selecting real gears, maybe some pseudo manual mode with flappy paddles?
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I see it this way, the Miata is the big contender. And the miata is sold with a manual. The old MRS was sold with a Manual. I dought this car will be looking to set nurburgring lap records, where the flappy paddle shifters would help shave milliseconds off the time. If this is a drivers car, I think there is a very good chance we will get a manual box as an option.
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Add the fact they have already mentioned its a hybrid.. a more powerful Pruis drivetrain in the back with batteries in the frunk..



And for the matter, the fact they have said its a hybrid pretty much gaurantees some sort of CVT type drivetrain.. no more selecting real gears, maybe some pseudo manual mode with flappy paddles?


Man i dont know why/where people have this idea..... The honda CRZ can be had with a 6SPEED MANUAL. If they want to do it, they will. My $0.02 is if they want to sell it they will have to...


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Once the electric mode becomes primary, there won't be any gears to select. The multiple gearbox is an idiosyncracy of the internal combustion engine. I realize that dialing in commutation phase angles does not have the romance of ripping up through the gears. However, the development of high power solid state electronics will continue to progress, and eventually the performance will sell it.
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Man i dont know why/where people have this idea..... The honda CRZ can be had with a 6SPEED MANUAL. If they want to do it, they will. My $0.02 is if they want to sell it they will have to...


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Except the way honda is doing this, it means when you are in electric mode you are still spinning the crank and all the ancillaries too.. resulting in ____ hybrid performance due to bearing friction, pumping losses etc. I dont see toyota doing this, why would they go away from their very sucessful synergy drive /ECVT hybrid system? The manual transmission is a dying thing, even BMW is considering not doing a manual trans in the M3.
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Once the electric mode becomes primary, there won't be any gears to select. The multiple gearbox is an idiosyncracy of the internal combustion engine. I realize that dialing in commutation phase angles does not have the romance of ripping up through the gears. However, the development of high power solid state electronics will continue to progress, and eventually the performance will sell it.


It seems their problem is the batteries. Good fro commuters, not for a drivers car. Tesla is having this issue, what good is having power when it makes your range irrelevant in comparison to many other cars, when you use it? Nice looks, more of a pain in the ass and freedom killer than anything. Need to refuel? Ok see you tomorrow. Would be a great car if it had and ICE.


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Except the way honda is doing this, it means when you are in electric mode you are still spinning the crank and all the ancillaries too.. resulting in ____ hybrid performance due to bearing friction, pumping losses etc. I dont see toyota doing this, why would they go away from their very sucessful synergy drive /ECVT hybrid system? The manual transmission is a dying thing, even BMW is considering not doing a manual trans in the M3.


Admittedly i know little of how the different systems differ from each other, i do know that as a company that seeks to ____ over their customers (see plastic crank pulleys on the last m3) i would never look to BMW to set paces like that. If they dont want to have similar sales then best of luck to them.


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It seems their problem is the batteries... Would be a great car if it had and ICE...
I think that the best way to use the ICE would be to hold up the batteries. It could even provide torque assist, but most of the ICE duty would be at optimum efficiency. My point was that eventually the ICE will no longer be part of the driving experience. The engine controller will operate it as necessary, and future designs may substitute a gas turbine or fuel cell instead.
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I think that the best way to use the ICE would be to hold up the batteries. It could even provide torque assist, but most of the ICE duty would be at optimum efficiency. My point was that eventually the ICE will no longer be part of the driving experience. The engine controller will operate it as necessary, and future designs may substitute a gas turbine or fuel cell instead.


Sorry but I respectfully disagree, electric lawn equipment? Garbage. ICE wont go anywhere they barely build them right as it is. I get they need stuff to wear out and break, but my 1991 honda has outlasted almost everything built in 2000.... I just think these guys are out of touch, we don't want cars that die if the storm drains back up. Nor do we want a "sports" car without a manual option. It will flop if they release a new mr2 only auto. Fuel cell has been around forever and look how long its taking the infrastructure to be set up/available.


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Ok, I realize that it is not time yet. I think that the future looks very good, but I am not going to bet on the time frame.
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Ok, I realize that it is not time yet. I think that the future looks very good, but I am not going to bet on the time frame.
I am... I'm betting that by the time Tesla gets model 3 RHD production going and clears the waiting list in front of my name ( so probably mid 2019) there will be enough fast charging infrastructure built that it won't be any more of an inconvenience than trying to find gas stations with high octane fuel is now.
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We will never get what we want. Marketing wins every time hands down. If most of us had our way, the new "Supra" would be a slight update to the last one. Inline 6 VVTLI Turbo 35 mpg hwy and 450 hp weighing in at 3000 lbs max. 🤤 But NO. We get a BMW instead of Toyota glory. Big car companies don't car about potential of a car. They care about the numbers they can put in a brochure and have published in magazines.

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