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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old October 24th, 2013, 17:25 Thread Starter
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Honda Building MR2 Competitor?

So, back when Honda revealed the EV-Ster concept, I gave it little notice because I didn't realize the concept was mid-engined. I just thought it was some pile of crap EV meant to make the tree hippies dance and drink nectar. Now Honda has released a revision of this concept called the S660 Concept. This thing is eerily close to production and is most likely coming stateside. This is the spiritual successor to the early 90's Honda Beat. A mid-engined, 660cc, 64 horsepower Kei car. In US trim, the S660 would potentially carry a 1.0L, 3 cylinder turbo with about 100 horsepower. Considering how light the vehicle might be, this could be ideal.

Well, here comes the more interesting part. Honda may be considering another mid-engined vehicle to slot between the S660 and halo NSX. If so, this would be the perfect chance for Toyota to build a competitor. And if not, we might get a future MR2-"like" car from another reliable company that a lot of us can appreciate.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/con..._s660_concept/

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In case you're interested, you should research the Honda Beat. The Honda badge, Kei-car engine, and body combination might not be too popular here, but opinions vary.
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Thats neat! Thats only the second honda I would ever drive.
The first being NSX
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Doesn't seem like much power for the weight by modern standards. Also don't like no manual transmission
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660 looks nice, beat is homely as hell. The lack of front fenders is nice though, just the hood !
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Doesn't seem like much power for the weight by modern standards. Also don't like no manual transmission
Agreed on the manual, and hopefully they will change their mind. Regarding the weight, 1,800 - 2,000 lbs with 100 horsepower would be quite fun to drive. Remember, the MKIII made by with 138 horsepower and 2,200 lbs. Seeing how it's a turbo motor you could always turn up the boost a bit to a more acceptable 150 or so?

The best part is that they want a mid-range vehicle to slot inbetween both the 660 and NSX. THAT'S the car I want to see.
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I would take the 660 - cheap, lighter than the mk3, excellent gas milage, and a turbo base to build from? Seems like a no brainer to bump that up as you said, and the lighter the car, the more I tend to like them
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A local guy is doing a Honda Beat build. Unique.
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/365543/la...ect-1991-beat/
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A local guy is doing a Honda Beat build. Unique.
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/365543/la...ect-1991-beat/
Damn I really like the look of this car modified if they where available in the states I think a lot of us wouldn't have mr2s
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^^^ Ban this guy!!!

That's blasphemy!
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but true - think how much better your life would be with the aftermarket support Honda owners enjoy, and the flashable ECU options that allow you to actually utilize the bolt ons most people never tune for.
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but true - think how much better your life would be with the aftermarket support Honda owners enjoy, and the flashable ECU options that allow you to actually utilize the bolt ons most people never tune for.
Not sure what you are talking about? Only d, b, and k engines have good aftermarket support. Only the k has a flash able ecu, and you have to tune Hondas when you mod. People don't play logos with ecu maps and have good running cars.

None of this applies to the Honda beat. And I'm pretty sure very few would trade a Mr2 t for a 60hp 3 cyl
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all d and b and k and h have chippable or flashable ECU's. I think the v6 guys are the only neglected ones.
You can run a d / b /f / h off a fully tunable $200 solution, a bit more if you need to invest in a way to flash the chips yourself.
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all d and b and k and h have chippable or flashable ECU's. I think the v6 guys are the only neglected ones.
You can run a d / b /f / h off a fully tunable $200 solution, a bit more if you need to invest in a way to flash the chips yourself.
Chipping the ecu is not reflashing, and yes you will need an EEPROM burner. And "Fully tunable" is highly debatable with those solutions. yes, you can edit fue land ignition maps - but I would not call it fully tunable.
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Never would I take this over my 2.
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As one of the few really big guys who frequent this board, I never get excited by new mid engine designs. The Mk2, and NSX could fit a wide range (and I mean WIDE) of body types. This Honda looks positively tiny, but of course I'll give it a look if it happens.
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Toyota would never bother to offer a rival for any sports car. only reason they have the FRS (sports car HA!) is because skooburooo did 99% of the R&D on it then toyota slaps on some badges and modifies the suspension some (whooooo... difficult). if subaru builds a car that competes with the beat then toyota would probably slap some badges on and "compete".

Toyota knows that the $$$ is in building camry, corolla, etc. and sports cars are a very limited market which makes little for the work involved.

i won't be surprised if the scion brand ends up like GEO for chevrolet lol

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Id rather have a mildly modified reliable Gen4 swapped SW20 hardtop than that S660. that thing is ugly to me. Yuck, i'll pass.
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how is it a competitor to the MR2?
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Thats neat! Thats only the second honda I would ever drive.
The first being NSX
Pretty much ditto, along with the S2000 and some of the rare off shoots that were RWD/AWD.
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