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Toyota BMW partnership

Announced everywhere a few weeks ago, this months issue of Roundel talks about how Toyota wants a sports car, mid-engine high efficiency, 2 seater.

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BMW and Toyota on Friday expanded their joint research and development beyond previously announced environmental technologies work.
Under the latest agreement, BMW and Toyota will cooperate in four areas: vehicle architecture and components, including for sports cars; fuel cells; lightweight technologies and vehicle electrification.
BMW and Toyota executives insist the development agreement is not a sign of the companies merging.

MUNICH, Germany ? BMW and Toyota announced on Friday that they will jointly develop sports cars, in addition to collaborating on environmental technologies including fuel cells, vehicle electrification and lightweight materials. No details on the jointly developed future sports cars were provided.

"I get so excited thinking about the cars that will result from this relationship," said Akio Toyoda, president of Toyota Motor Corporation, as he signed the agreement in Munich Friday with BMW Board Chairman Norbert Reithofer. "I am the one most looking forward to a sports car that is environmentally friendly and truly excites car fans around the world."

Since 2009 when he took the reins of the company his grandfather founded, Toyoda has promised more emotional cars to replace Toyota's bland ones. The much more stylish 2013 Toyota Avalon, which goes on sale in the U.S. at year's end, is the first vehicle to have Toyoda's imprint. "The attractive and emotional products we plan cannot be born in conference rooms but only where real development takes place," Toyoda said Friday.

One of those places promises to be Germany's famous N?rburgring. "When I drive at N?rburgring, there is always a car that passes me, and it is a BMW," said Toyoda, an avid racer. "BMW knows how to make a car perform. BMW knows more than anyone else that roads make cars. At N?rburgring, BMW is my greatest rival and has earned my utmost respect."

Toyota and Subaru already have collaborated sports car development with the result being the hot-selling Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ.

The announcement Friday by BMW and Toyota expands on cooperative arrangements agreed to earlier by the two companies. Last December, BMW and Toyota announced they would explore joint research on mid- to long-term, next-generation environmental technologies that leveraged Toyota's expertise in hybrids and BMW's diesel expertise. In March, the companies kicked off joint research into next-generation, lithium-ion batteries used in hybrid and electric cars. The deal also included BMW supplying Toyota's European subsidiary with diesel engines starting in 2014.

The two companies insist they will remain independent entities but will continue to explore areas for collaboration.

Inside Line says: What do you get when you cross a BMW with a Toyota sports car? Company executives promise emotion, performance and environmental friendliness.

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Wow. Great news! Just so long as the resulting sports car doesn't have the BMW....nostrils in the front. lol
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So instead of ///M power, is it going to be ///Axis power?
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Since BMW still uses turbos... Hmmmm

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It'd be interesting to see them use the n54/n55 i6s in a mid engine setup.

It'll probably be 5-6ish years till we actually see something. Isn't that how it was with the BRZ/FRS? It'd be nice to see some turbo toyotas again
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I predict they'll come up with this


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their probably going to bring this back
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their probably going to bring this back
The m1!

I hope bmw's design team is left out of this one. lately their cars have been getting uglier and larger.
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The BMW 1series M is neither ugly nor large. Inject some of that DNA into a MKII and many people on this forum could be very happy.
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reading about manufacturers moving to 48v electrical systems and how there are some really good 48v electric superchargers out there.
Since Toyota has publicly said that the LF-A engine will be it's last internal combustion engine that it will design and build, that you are going to see some really cool usage of hybrid power. In one article I read of the Toyota / BMW adventure is that small BMW turbo diesels with electric motors in a mid-engine layout would be looked at. with increased weight due to world-wide safety, increased corporate fuel economy standards world-wide and major decrease in emissions world-wide require some pretty high level changes in the product that manufacturers are going to sell to consumers.

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I think it would be awesome if BMW used their N20 turbocharged I4 engine that's capable of producing 241HP and 258ftlbs of Torque. It would be almost on par with the SW20's 3SGTE, but much better engineered due to the modern technology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N20
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Finally... A Toyota that needs everything replaced at 100,000 miles. Just like the last two bimmers I owned. Heaven help us all.
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Finally... A Toyota that needs everything replaced at 100,000 miles. Just like the last two bimmers I owned. Heaven help us all.

ROFLMAO! I with you there! As a mechanic for over 17 years Iv worked on my fare share of BMW's and other German makes. Biggest PsOS ever!! There insistence on using plastic on engine pieces where ever possible astounds me!! And you remember what happened the last time Japan and Germany got together?? Watch Out Hawaii!!!


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ROFLMAO! I with you there! As a mechanic for over 17 years Iv worked on my fare share of BMW's and other German makes. Biggest PsOS ever!! There insistence on using plastic on engine pieces where ever possible astounds me!! And you remember what happened the last time Japan and Germany got together?? Watch Out Hawaii!!!


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Ooof!! hahahahaha
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So instead of ///M power, is it going to be ///Axis power?
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Just make it light, hardtop with more than 200 hps. But thats too much to ask.
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just dont make it hybrid i.e. like this crap
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/01/m...id-concept-ii/
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